Sir Duncan Mac Torquill
Calontir Cut & Thrust Marshal
Deputy Cut & Thrust Marshal
Lord Brian Robert Mac Dougaldepcalonsteel@calontir.org
Donald Andrew McDonald
Deputy Marshal for
Cut & Thrust Melees
A Message from the Kingdom Cut & Thrust Marshal
Unto the Kingdom of Calontir come greetings from Sir Duncan mac Torquill, Kingdom Rapier Marshall.
First I would like to say thank you to my predecessor Sir Duncan o'Skeene who did a fine job for the kingdom throughout his tenure. Thank you Sir Duncan for a job well done.
Second I would like to apologize for the lateness of this missive. Time sometimes crawls and sometimes flies. In this case it got away from me.
And finally I have listed the current warrant list below. If you have any questions please contact me at CalonSteel@calontir.org.
Yours in Service to Crown and Kingdom,
Sir Duncan Mac Torquill
Warranted Cut & Thrust Marshals
(Last Updated: 4/13/2018)
- Aiden O'Seaghdha Deputy KRM
- Ayisha bint Asad
- Alan Smyith of Darkdale
- Brian Robert MacDougall
- Donald McDonald
- Duncan Bruce of Logan
- Duncan MacTorquill
- Duncan Skeene
- Finan mac Crimthainn
- Gawin Kappler
- Janos Katona
- Killian O Connell
- Kitsu Taro
- Luckie of falcons keep
- Maria Arosa de Santa
- Mikhail Nikolaevich
Announcement: Cut & Thrust Rules Update
Greetings from Sir Duncan Mac Torquill, Kingdom Rapier Marshall for the Kingdom of Calontir.
As most of you know the Society Rapier Marshall has published some updates to the cut and thrust rules. The rule changes include additional requirements for hand protection and will affect all of us. The rules are set to go into affect July 27, 2018 so they will be applied at Pennsic but will not be applied at this upcoming Lilies War. That being said, I encourage you to get together the equipment you plan to use to meet the new requirements so we can discuss what will work at Lilies.
Specifically, the rules have the following additional requirements:
For cut and thrust rapier, hands and wrists require additional protection from being struck by percussive blows:
- Areas of the backs of gloved hands, fingers and thumbs, to one inch above the wrist of both arms not protected by a hilt, parrying device, or rigid armor must, at a minimum, be protected by an additional layer of 1/4" open cell foam or equivalent resilient padding.
- If any combatant is using a two-handed weapon, all combatants in the bout must have rigid protection for areas listed in 2.D.v.a. Examples of acceptable protection include (but not limited to):
- Gauntlets or demi-gauntlets made of rigid material covering areas not protected by the weapon's guard.
- Commercial products such as Koning gloves, SPES Heavy gloves or hockey gloves which satisfy these requirements. (Note: Blatantly modern gloves are discouraged at official events and practices without attempting to cover logos and modern materials.)
Calontir has taken great pride over the years in making the "medieval choice" when it comes to armour and clothing. I encourage all of you to continue with this tradition while maintaining the required safety requirements.
Marshals inspecting C&T armor to follow these new rules will need to do the following:
For any fight where either combatant is using a two-handed weapon, both fighters must have rigid components that cover the back of their wrists (to one inch past the points), fingers, and hands that provide protection from typical percussive cuts. These components can be made up of the hilt, armor, and shields.
For any fight where both combatants are not using a two-handed weapon, both fighters must have padding equivalent to 1/4” open cell foam that cover the back of their wrists (to one inch past the points), fingers, and hands that provide protection from typical percussive cuts. These components can be made up of the hilt, armor, and shields.
How to inspect
Ask the combatant to hold their weapon as they would in combat.
Identify the location of one inch past points of the wrist of the combatant.
Verify the armor, hilt, and shield protects the back of the hands, fingers, and area on the wrist identified earlier from percusive cuts from normal and reasonable angles that will occur in a fight are protected.
A shield alone may be considered an equivalent to full hand protection only if no part of the gloved hand or wrist is within 4 inches (10.2 cm) of the edge of the shield while the shield is in use.
In the future, this page will include pictures of weapons and armor that meet these requirements.
How will this impact you?
Fighting with swept hilt rapier: If you are facing a two-handed weapon, you need a rigid demi-gauntlet. If you are facing anything else, then use a padded glove.
Fighting with a ring dagger: If you are facing a two-handed weapon, you need an equivalent glove to the two-handed weapon fighter such as a hockey glove. If you are facing anything else, then use a padded glove.
Fighting with a blocking dagger (such as the reaver dagger from Darkwood): If you are facing a two-handed weapon, you need a rigid demi-gauntlet. If you are facing anything else, use a padded glove.
Fighting with a buckler: If your hand and wrist is 4 inches or further from the edge of the buckler, use a normal glove. Otherwise, use a rigid demi-gauntlet or padded glove as described before.
Using a two-handed weapon: You need at least a hockey glove.
Fighters are expected to continue to use good judgement and care for their opponent regardless of the armor choices of their opponent.
Your armor must still meet period appearance rules. The examples provided by the SRM include hockey gloves. Most modern hockey gloves do not meet the period appearance rules without modification or covering.
During a tournament, combatants are expected to come to agreement for needed armor requirements, or both fighters will take a loss for the tourney.
The rules specify hockey gloves are sufficent as an alternative to rigid armor. Yes, hockey gloves are not rigid. This is understood.
As of 2018/04/28, “hockey gloves” is interpreted as Ice Hockey gloves, not street hockey, field hockey, or lacrosse gloves. This may change in the future.
The SRM clarified the rules to specify that only the back of the hand, fingers, wrist need to be protected, not the entire hand. Gauntlets are not required to ground out on the handle of the weapon as frequently advised for armored combat.
Society rapier rules define rigid materials with the following guidelines:
Rigid material: resistant material that will not significantly flex, spread apart, or deform under pressure of 12 Kg applied by a standard mask tester, repeatedly to any single point. Examples of rigid material are:
- 22 gauge stainless steel (0.8 mm)
- 20 gauge mild steel (1.0 mm)
- 16 gauge aluminum, copper, or brass (1.6 mm)
- one layer of hardened heavy leather (8 ounce, 3.18 mm)
Why are these rules being changed. According to the Society Rapier Marshal in the last three years, 811 C&T combatants received 18 reported hand injuries. In contrast, 4159 heavy rapier combatants received 5 reported hand injuries in the same time period. Calontir accounts for at least five out of the 18 injuries reported in the last 3 years. Given that Calontir has more authorized cut and thrust combatants than any other kingdome this is not surprising. Nobody wants to injure anyone or be injured and this is the response taken at the Society level and therefore we will adapt to the new regulations.
When evaluating protection needed, please understand the additional protection is intended to address percussive blows, not thrusts. The new requirements do not mean our blow level should increase as we will be "more protective." The new requirements are to address the current blow level and acknowledgement and therefore our acknowledgement and level should remain the same.
I will post additional information and clarifications as they become available. Please feel free to contact me though facebook or at CalonSteel@calontir.org if you have questions or comments.